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05/15/2019 07:00 AM Senate LEGISLATIVE BUDGET & AUDIT

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07:00:42 AM Start
07:01:11 AM Approval of Minutes
07:01:48 AM Agenda Update
07:02:04 AM Legislative Audit Storage Area Procurement
07:03:39 AM Fy18 Statewide Single Audit
07:30:58 AM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
             LEGISLATIVE BUDGET AND AUDIT COMMITTEE                                                                           
                          May 15, 2019                                                                                          
                           7:00 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Chris Tuck, Chair                                                                                                
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Ivy Spohnholz                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Natasha von Imhof                                                                                                       
Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster                                                                                                      
Representative Mark Neuman                                                                                                      
Representative Jennifer Johnston (alternate)                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Peter Micciche (alternate)                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Tom Begich                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
APPROVAL OF MINUTES                                                                                                             
AGENDA UPDATE                                                                                                                   
LEGISLATIVE AUDIT STORAGE AREA PROCUREMENT                                                                                      
FY18 STATEWIDE SINGLE AUDIT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
KRIS CURTIS, Legislative Auditor                                                                                                
Legislative Audit Division                                                                                                      
Legislative Agencies and Offices                                                                                                
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided  information and answered questions                                                             
on the procurement request and the FY18 Statewide Single Audit.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:00:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CHRIS  TUCK  called  the   Legislative  Budget  and  Audit                                                             
Committee meeting  to order  at 7:00  a.m.   Representatives Tuck                                                               
and  Josephson  and  Senators Bishop,  von  Imhof,  Stedman,  and                                                               
Giessel  were  present at  the  call  to order.    Representative                                                               
Spohnholz  arrived as  the  meeting  was in  progress.   Also  in                                                               
attendance was Senator Begich.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^Approval of minutes                                                                                                          
                      Approval of minutes                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:01:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TUCK  announced that the  first order of business  would be                                                               
the approval of minutes.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:01:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP  made a motion to  approve the minutes of  May 10,                                                               
2019.  There being no objection,  the minutes from the meeting of                                                               
May 10, 2019 were approved.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
^Agenda Update                                                                                                                
                         Agenda Update                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:01:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TUCK announced that the next  order of business would be an                                                               
update  to  changes  on  the  agenda.    He  explained  that  the                                                               
committee would first take up  the Legislative Audit Storage Area                                                               
Procurement and  then release the  Statewide Single Audit  for FY                                                               
18 with any discussion afterward.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
^Legislative Audit Storage Area Procurement                                                                                   
           Legislative Audit Storage Area Procurement                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:02:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KRIS  CURTIS, Legislative  Auditor,  Legislative Audit  Division,                                                               
Legislative Agencies  and Offices, referenced the  memo [Included                                                               
in members' packets] which explained  the need for a storage area                                                               
network  (SAN).   She relayed  that, although  a SAN  had already                                                               
been  purchased in  April within  her  procurement authority  for                                                               
$34,000,  it did  not  work.   She noted  that  her division  was                                                               
working with the company to fix  this, but, in the event it could                                                               
not  be fixed,  it  would  be necessary  to  return  the SAN  and                                                               
receive a refund.   In that case,  the next lowest bid  for a SAN                                                               
was  for  about $40,000,  which  was  more than  her  procurement                                                               
authority.   She  requested authority  for the  purchase of  this                                                               
next lowest  bid, adding  that she had  received a  bid yesterday                                                               
for $41,000.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:03:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BISHOP  moved  and  asked  unanimous  consent  that  the                                                               
Legislative Budget and Audit  Committee authorize the Legislative                                                               
Auditor  to procure  a  storage area  network at  a  cost not  to                                                               
exceed $41,000.  There being no objection, it was so ordered.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
^FY18 Statewide Single Audit                                                                                                  
                  FY18 Statewide Single Audit                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
7:03:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TUCK announced  that the next order of business  would be a                                                               
review of the FY18 Statewide Single Audit.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:03:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURTIS,  in  response  to Chair  Tuck,  explained  that  the                                                               
Statewide Single Audit was an  annual project required to receive                                                               
federal  financial assistance.   She  noted that  there were  two                                                               
main objectives to  the report:  first, to  determine whether the                                                               
State's financial  statements were fairly presented;  and second,                                                               
to  determine  whether state  agencies  were  complying with  the                                                               
various  federal laws  and regulations  in the  administration of                                                               
various federal programs.   She pointed out that the  audit was a                                                               
very large document, with four  main sections, each identified by                                                               
roman numerals at the bottom of the page.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURTIS  directed  attention  to  the  first  section,  Roman                                                               
Numeral One,  which contained  the state's  financial statements,                                                               
the notes  to those statements,  and the Division  of Legislative                                                               
Audit opinion on the financial  statements.  She pointed out that                                                               
the  state had  received unmodified  opinion on  all the  opinion                                                               
units,  meaning  these  were  free  from  material  misstatement,                                                               
except for the general fund, which received a qualified opinion.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
7:05:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP moved  and asked unanimous consent  that the State                                                               
of Alaska  Single Audit for the  Fiscal Year ended June  30, 2018                                                               
be  released  as  the  final  public  report.    There  being  no                                                               
objection, it was so ordered.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:05:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS  moved on to  the second section, identified  as Roman                                                               
Numeral II  on the bottom  of the  page.  This  section contained                                                               
the  findings   and  recommendations  to  the   individual  state                                                               
departments.  The third section,  Roman Numeral III, included the                                                               
auditors report on federal compliance  and internal controls over                                                               
financial reporting and federal compliance.   She added that this                                                               
section also included the state  schedule of federal awards.  She                                                               
directed  attention to  III-11, the  Schedule of  Federal Awards,                                                               
which  included all  the  federal  financial assistance  received                                                               
during  Fiscal Year  (FY) 18,  approximately $4.3  billion.   She                                                               
noted that  this information was an  appendix at the back  of the                                                               
audit.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURTIS  directed attention  to  Section  IV, the  corrective                                                               
action  plans by  each department  in response  to the  findings.                                                               
She added  that the members  each had a  hard copy matrix  of the                                                               
findings  which  allowed  members  to  "drill  down  to  all  the                                                               
details, you  can sort it by  department, by type of  finding, to                                                               
help you really dig down into those findings."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS  moved on to Roman  Numeral II-3, which was  a summary                                                               
of the  findings at the beginning  of Section II, and  included a                                                               
summary of  the findings  between financial,  federal compliance,                                                               
and  state  compliance.    She  noted that  it  also  showed  the                                                               
internal  control   findings  between  material   weaknesses  and                                                               
significant  deficiencies.    She   stated  that  there  were  74                                                               
findings in FY 18.   As perspective, in FY 15,  there had been 44                                                               
findings which  was considered a  high year.  She  explained that                                                               
most  of the  increase was  from the  area for  federal financial                                                               
reporting, as there  were 27 financial recommendations  in FY 18.                                                               
She  explained that,  as the  audit was  done in  accordance with                                                               
federal rules for  what had to be reported,  the federal findings                                                               
were  less  informative  for the  Legislative  Budget  and  Audit                                                               
Committee so the focus would be  for the financial findings.  She                                                               
directed attention  to page II-3  of the matrix, and  shared that                                                               
there were 4 material weaknesses  and 23 significant deficiencies                                                               
in internal controls  related to financial reporting.   She noted                                                               
that most of  these were in the Department  of Administration and                                                               
the Department of  Transportation & Public Facilities.   She said                                                               
that   she   would  focus   on   the   financial  findings   that                                                               
significantly  impacted  the  audit  process as  they  were  time                                                               
consuming or  resulted in  a qualified  opinion on  the financial                                                               
statements.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.   CURTIS   directed   attention    to   the   Department   of                                                               
Administration, which  had 11 financial findings,  on page II-10.                                                               
She stated  that she would  highlight four  of them.   The first,                                                               
Finding  #1 on  page  II-10, discussed  errors  in reporting  the                                                               
financial activity  of the  Constitutional Budget  Reserve (CBR),                                                               
and she noted that there had been  a similar finding in FY 16 and                                                               
FY  17.   She explained  that the  Division of  Finance had  made                                                               
numerous errors in  the calculation for the draw from  the CBR to                                                               
the general fund, which misstated  the draw by over $300 million.                                                               
She  stated   that  these  errors   were  caused   by  inadequate                                                               
procedures.   She  shared  Finding #6  on  page II-14  addressing                                                               
revenue   classification  errors,   which,  in   accordance  with                                                               
generally  accepted  accounting   principles,  required  they  be                                                               
reported  by  classification.   She  noted  that, since  the  new                                                               
accounting  system,  the Division  of  Finance  had struggled  to                                                               
report  revenues  in  accordance   with  the  generally  accepted                                                               
accounting  principles.    She  stated  that  it  was  very  time                                                               
consuming to  fix these problems,  with the errors  totaling more                                                               
than $110 million.  She clarified  that these errors had all been                                                               
corrected.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS  discussed Finding #7  on page II-15,  identifying and                                                               
correcting capital  assets errors.   She said that this  was very                                                               
time consuming  and noted that  there had been similar  errors in                                                               
FY 16 and  FY 17.  The  errors had been compounded in  FY 18 when                                                               
state  agencies began  inputting  the  capital asset  information                                                               
into  the state  accounting  system.   Prior  to  FY 18,  capital                                                               
assets  and depreciation  were tracked  via manual  spreadsheets.                                                               
She explained that the problem  happened when the information was                                                               
input  into the  state accounting  system with  no reconciliation                                                               
done  to   ensure  that  all   the  information  on   the  legacy                                                               
spreadsheet   was  input   into  the   state  accounting   system                                                               
accurately.   She stated  that not all  the information  had been                                                               
input accurately.   She added  that there had also  been problems                                                               
with the footnote  disclosures.  She declared that  this was very                                                               
time consuming  to correct  and directed  attention to  the total                                                               
amount of the errors listed on page II-16.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURTIS  discussed  the  late  OPEB  (Other  Post  Employment                                                               
Employee Benefits)  schedules and  directed attention  to Finding                                                               
#11 on page II-20.  She  reported that this discussed the failure                                                               
of  the Division  of Retirements  and Benefits  to issue  audited                                                               
schedules of  employer and non-employer OPEB  allocations for the                                                               
Public Employees  Retirement System  and the  Teachers Retirement                                                               
System.    During  FY  18,  the  State  implemented  Governmental                                                               
Accounting  Standards Board  statement  number  75 that  required                                                               
specific OPEB  information be reported  in the pension  plans and                                                               
the   plan  participants'   financial  statements.     The   OPEB                                                               
information had  to be first  compiled into  allocation schedules                                                               
and then  audited by the  plan auditors.   Once the  audited OPEB                                                               
schedules were  available, the information could  be disseminated                                                               
to  all the  plan participants.   She  stated that  this did  not                                                               
happen timely, and  that delayed issuance of  the OPEB allocation                                                               
schedules  resulted in  a delayed  issuance of  audited financial                                                               
statements  for  the  pension  plans,   as  well  as  the  school                                                               
districts,  local  governments,  state  entities  and  the  State                                                               
itself.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:12:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURTIS moved  on  to  page II-28  and  Finding  #15 for  the                                                               
Department  of Revenue,  the first  of three  financial findings.                                                               
This was a material weakness in  internal controls which led to a                                                               
qualified opinion  on the  general fund.   Revenues  eligible for                                                               
transfer to  the Constitutional  Budget Reserve Fund  (CBRF) were                                                               
not  transferred during  FY 18,  and revenues  which should  have                                                               
remained  in the  CBRF  were moved  to the  general  fund.   This                                                               
finding had to  do with a disagreement  regarding whether Federal                                                               
Energy Regulatory  Commission (FERC) related tax  revenues should                                                               
be deposited  into the  CBRF.  The  attorney general  argued that                                                               
the monies belonged in the  general fund while her legal analysis                                                               
concluded that  the monies  belonged in the  CBRF.   She directed                                                               
attention to  the Effect  paragraph on  page II-29,  which listed                                                               
the amounts specific  to the Department of Revenue  which she had                                                               
determined to be misstatements to  the FY 18 financial statement.                                                               
She reported  that the total  understatement in the  CBRF balance                                                               
was $1.04 billion.  She noted  that $34.9 million of FERC related                                                               
revenues were offset to tax credits during FY 18.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
7:14:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURTIS stated  that most  of  the Department  of Health  and                                                               
Social Services  findings were federal compliance  related, which                                                               
she would address  later.  She directed attention  to page II-62,                                                               
Finding #37, a  shortfall finding which meant that  an agency did                                                               
not  collect  all the  revenue  budgeted  resulting in  overspent                                                               
general  funds.   She  reported  that  the department  had  seven                                                               
potential  shortfalls  in  FY  18, with  the  largest  being  the                                                               
Medicaid  Management  information  system   for  just  over  $3.5                                                               
million for budget  year 2002, and more than  $200,000 for budget                                                               
year 2007.   These shortfalls  were due to the  federal oversight                                                               
agency disallowing the expenditures  that were claimed beyond the                                                               
period of performance.   She noted that Department  of Health and                                                               
Social Services management had asserted  that claims were delayed                                                               
due to litigation with the contractor.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:15:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS  directed attention to  the three  potential shortfall                                                               
findings  on  page  II-86  for   the  Department  of  Military  &                                                               
Veterans' Affairs,  the largest being about  $126,000.  According                                                               
to  management, the  shortfall was  caused by  problems recording                                                               
revenues during the conversion to the new accounting system.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:15:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURTIS moved  on  to  the four  financial  findings for  the                                                               
Department  of  Natural Resources  (DNR),  two  of which  led  to                                                               
qualifications to  the opinion.   She directed attention  to page                                                               
II-90, Finding  #53, which  stated that DNR  did not  transfer to                                                               
the Alaska  Permanent Fund all  dedicated mineral  lease revenues                                                               
received during FY  18.  She reminded the committee  that, as she                                                               
had  gone into  detail during  the last  meeting, she  would just                                                               
direct their attention to the  effect paragraph on the next page,                                                               
II-91, which showed that the error for FY 18 was $99.8 million.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURTIS reported  that  Finding #54,  page  II-92, was  DNR's                                                               
finding  related to  the FERC  related receipts  and the  deposit                                                               
into the  CBRF.  She reported  that the effect paragraph  on page                                                               
II-93  showed that  the DNR  related  impact for  this issue  was                                                               
$287.9  million.   She  stated  that  the financial  opinion  was                                                               
qualified due  to Findings #53  and #54.  She  directed attention                                                               
to  the  DNR  shortfall  on   page  II-105,  Finding  #63.    The                                                               
department  had four  appropriations  in  shortfall, the  largest                                                               
being $459,000.   The  management had  stated that  the shortfall                                                               
had been  caused by  the incorrect recording  of cash  related to                                                               
reimbursable  service agreements  and  not monitoring  shortfalls                                                               
due to staff turnover.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:16:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS pointed  to page II-120, Finding  #67, which explained                                                               
that  the Department  of Transportation  & Public  Facilities had                                                               
continued  to  struggle to  record  expenditures  during the  re-                                                               
appropriation period to the correct  fiscal year.  She noted that                                                               
there was  a similar finding  in FY 15,  FY 16,  and FY 17.   She                                                               
added   that  the   department  had   implemented  training   and                                                               
monitoring  procedures during  FY 18,  but, although  strides had                                                               
been made to correct this  error, the training and monitoring did                                                               
not address  capital project invoices.   She moved on  to Finding                                                               
#69,  page II-122,  which identified  numerous errors  related to                                                               
capital assets which were listed on  page 122.  She listed a lack                                                               
of  training, oversight,  and effective  procedures as  the cause                                                               
for errors.   She pointed out  that the effect of  the errors was                                                               
shown at the  bottom of pages II-123 and 124,  reporting that the                                                               
auditors had spent months testing  the capital assets and helping                                                               
correct the errors.   She shared Finding #73,  page II-127, which                                                               
reported  on  the department's  shortfall  finding.   There  were                                                               
three shortfalls  for FY 18,  the largest for  approximately $1.5                                                               
million, a  result of incorrectly calculating  the unexpended and                                                               
unobligated  balance of  the  appropriations  which were  carried                                                               
forward  to FY  19.   The Department  of Transportation  & Public                                                               
Facilities management had  stated that staff turnover  and a lack                                                               
of monitoring procedures had contributed to the shortfall.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:18:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURTIS reported  that the  final financial  finding, Finding                                                               
#74,  page  II-132, was  related  to  the Alaska  Permanent  Fund                                                               
Corporation   not  collecting   all  the   statutorily  dedicated                                                               
revenues during  FY 18 related to  the permanent fund.   She said                                                               
this  was the  same issue  as  discussed with  the Department  of                                                               
Natural Resources findings, an impact of $99.8 million.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:19:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURTIS directed  attention to  page II-3,  a summary  of the                                                               
findings for  the Federal Compliance Regulations.   She explained                                                               
that federal  programs were  audited as  directed by  the federal                                                               
OMB, with specific requirements  to report any questionable costs                                                               
over  $25,000.    She  reported  that  there  was  material  non-                                                               
compliance, resulting in the need  to audit again next year, with                                                               
four  major  federal programs.    She  added that  material  non-                                                               
compliance also impacted  required coverage for an  audit, as the                                                               
state was no longer considered a low risk auditee.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS  directed attention to  Page III-5 for the  opinion on                                                               
federal  compliance, and  Page  III-6 for  a  description on  the                                                               
basis  of a  qualified opinion.   The  first program  of material                                                               
noncompliance  was with  the United  States  Forest Service  fire                                                               
suppression program, as timesheet testing  found a high degree of                                                               
noncompliance, resulting  in $163,000  of questioned costs.   She                                                               
explained  that  these  were federal  agency  reimbursements  for                                                               
costs that did not meet the  federal requirements and may have to                                                               
be repaid.  She added  that her division had identified incorrect                                                               
coding of costs for $45,000.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:21:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURTIS  shared  that  the Bureau  of  Land  Management  Fire                                                               
Suppression  program   was  the  second  program   with  material                                                               
noncompliance,  as   well  as  errors  with   timesheet  testing,                                                               
resulting in questioned costs of $111,000.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURTIS  reported  that  the   third  program  with  material                                                               
noncompliance  was   with  the  1332  State   Innovation  Waivers                                                               
program.    This   referred  to  Section  1332   of  the  Patient                                                               
Protection and Affordable  Care Act which permitted  the state to                                                               
apply  for  a  State  Innovation   Waiver  to  pursue  innovative                                                               
strategies  for   providing  residents  with  access   to  health                                                               
insurance.  She  stated that Alaska had applied  for and received                                                               
a waiver to  implement a high-risk pool  reinsurance program, the                                                               
Alaska Reinsurance Program, and  that material noncompliance with                                                               
this program  had been found  in federal  procurement, suspension                                                               
and   debarment   requirements,   and   subrecipient   monitoring                                                               
requirements.  She opined that  the Division of Insurance was not                                                               
used to  dealing with these  federal requirements, and  that this                                                               
could be more easily addressed in the future.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:22:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.   CURTIS   described   the   fourth   program   of   material                                                               
noncompliance,  the  Temporary   Assistance  for  Needy  Families                                                               
(TANF)   program.     She  reported   that  there   was  material                                                               
noncompliance  with the  federal eligibility  and special  income                                                               
verification requirements.   She noted that 10 percent  of the 40                                                               
applications  tested had  not been  processed  within the  30-day                                                               
requirement,  and 53  percent of  the applications  tested lacked                                                               
documentation that the agency had  verified eligibility using the                                                               
electronic   verification  system.      She   added  that   eight                                                               
eligibility  determination  errors  had  also been  found.    She                                                               
reiterated  that material  noncompliance meant  that the  program                                                               
must  be  audited  in  the  next year.    She  stated  that  this                                                               
concluded "the very  fast overview of this  very large document."                                                               
She noted  that there  could be  a lot  more discussion  on these                                                               
findings.  She  reported that this audit was late,  as it was due                                                               
by March 31.  She listed three  main reasons for being late:  the                                                               
State's financial  audit opinion was  issued late; there  were 74                                                               
findings which had to be first  put into a management letter sent                                                               
to an agency, with a 10-day  response period; and finally, as the                                                               
outside auditor for the Department  of Health and Social Services                                                               
had found material noncompliance  that impacted six major federal                                                               
programs,  all of  those programs  had to  be audited  again this                                                               
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:24:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR VON IMHOF  asked if there were any repeat  patterns.  She                                                               
stated that,  although it was "one  thing to be able  to identify                                                               
audit issues in your audit," the  more important step was to plan                                                               
for  improvement.    She  asked for  suggestions  to  reduce  the                                                               
noncompliance when the committee meets with the departments.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:25:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURTIS  explained  that,  with  implementation  of  the  new                                                               
accounting  system,  all  the historical  ideas  for  how  things                                                               
progressed, "were  just thrown  out the  window cause  we're just                                                               
entering  a  new  age  with  the new  accounting  system."    She                                                               
reported that  her first  20 years with  auditing had  been using                                                               
the  legacy system  and there  had been  stability in  personnel.                                                               
She  declared "that  has totally  changed."   She  reported a  50                                                               
percent turnover  in the  Division of  Finance, noting  that this                                                               
division was  responsible for creating the  financial statements.                                                               
She  declared  that  this  was   "extremely  detrimental."    She                                                               
reported a  high level  of turnover  in the  agencies, especially                                                               
with the  program people, resulting  in constant  recruitment and                                                               
training.   She pointed out that  this was evident on  the audits                                                               
with the  high levels of findings.   She offered her  belief that                                                               
this  was  due to  the  turnover  at  the  agencies and  the  new                                                               
accounting system.   She  opined that  the new  accounting system                                                               
was starting  "to settle out,  they're starting to get  those new                                                               
processes documented, they're  starting to be able  to handle the                                                               
change."   She directed attention  to the Summary of  Prior Audit                                                               
Findings  and  explained that  this  was  a mechanism  to  review                                                               
whether  things had  been  corrected.   She  added  that the  new                                                               
administration was  giving more  attention to the  audit findings                                                               
and  attention to  correction of  problems,  while reflecting  on                                                               
whether this  would continue.   She expressed her  agreement that                                                               
there could be efficient discussion  with each department for the                                                               
current  status during  the House  and  Senate Finance  Committee                                                               
sub-committee process.   She noted  that timing was an  issue, as                                                               
her  division was  conducting its  work during  the finance  sub-                                                               
committee process  and there could  not be discussion  within the                                                               
audit until  it was a public  document.  She allowed  that status                                                               
of findings could be addressed during the interim.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:29:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP  expressed his  concern for  "leaving cash  on the                                                               
table."  He  stated, "we're fighting over pennies  in the capital                                                               
budget and  I'm looking here  at several million dollars  that it                                                               
appears we've left on the table that we didn't have to leave."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:30:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  TUCK  offered his  belief  that  the budget  sub-committee                                                               
chairs needed to be aware  of the deficiencies in each department                                                               
so to hold the departments accountable.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:30:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There  being  no  further  business  before  the  committee,  the                                                               
Legislative Budget  and Audit Committee meeting  was adjourned at                                                               
7:31 a.m.                                                                                                                       

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Leg Audit Procurement Request 5-15-19.pdf JBUD 5/15/2019 7:00:00 AM